Who Supports GLBT.

[ben]

Who here supports Homosexuals and Bi-Sexuals? I have no problem with it, and see no reason why two people of the same gender can't love each other. I don't like when people are homophobic, It just doesn't make sense. Just because god says so, that's their excuses, or 'its just wrong'. I think my girlfriend is kinda homophobic though... =\ I hate when people use these as slurs and insults, its soo immature.

Anyhow, in an organized debate please share your views over the topic, and take into consideration what others have to say. I'm interested to hear your points.

[electric_blue_kirby]

Voice 1:

Your thread title states "GLBT", yet you make no mention of transsexualism. Is this just an oversight on your part, or is this debate only about sexual orientation?

[ben]

Sexual orientation mainly, but I guess we could throw that in as well, since it is part of the GLBT community.

[Herb]

One of my friends "came out" a few years ago. She is still the same person, maybe even better. I think that if the people involved are happy that everyone else should be happy for them! To each his/her own. No matter what floats your boat I hope you can get floated...lol

[Fiyero]

I am gay and I hate it when fag, homo and gay have become the new slurs of highschool and even my dad and grandmother use them.

[Fly]

There's nothing wrong with being a gay man, lesbian, or transvestite.

If we were all the same sexual orientation....it would be a pretty boring world I think.

[strontium]

i dont think being gay necessarily makes you a bad person but i am against gay marriage. marriage is a christian tradition and as a christian i think that it should stay as a bond between a man and a women. i also think that when gay people raise kids they may encourage them to be gay. this could be a bad cycle. like i said i dont think gays are bad people but theres some things i think should stay normal.

[Fiyero]

Its been proven many times that you can not turn gay. You think "it" should stay normal. What is "it"? Theres been homosexuals for hundreds of years.

[Patrick]

I have a cousin whos mother painted his toenails when he was young. She treated him like a girl in many ways, and due to this he has definitely been a lot more feminine. I don't know if he is gay or not, but I do agree that they way you are raised can effect your sexuality.

[Fiyero]

It's been proving that being gay is in your genes or w/e and that you can't turn gay. That means that if your straight, you can turn gay and turn back straight right? I've never heard of a true story of somebody who changes orientations.

[Patrick]

Thats news too me. As far as I know they still don't know what makes people gay. Care to link me to any research that proves its in the genes?

[electric_blue_kirby]

Voice 1:

been a lot more feminine.[...]the way you are raised can effect your sexuality.

You seem to be trying to draw a corelation between gender orientation and sexual orientation. That arguement would be deeply flawed, as those are seperate entities.

[Trilobite]

I've got nothing against homosexuality or transexuality. Makes no difference to I nor anyone else how a person decides to live.

Nearly everyone I know has at the very least had a dabble with the same sex. Even I have kissed a few girls using tongues. My boyfriend also kissed a guy, using tongues, on a drunken dare, and he's even a little bit homophobic (not anti-homosexual, just the idea creeps him out a little, but he's ok with other people choosing that lifestyle). Don't worry - we weren't a couple at the time.

[ben]

i dont think being gay necessarily makes you a bad person but i am against gay marriage. marriage is a christian tradition and as a christian i think that it should stay as a bond between a man and a women. i also think that when gay people raise kids they may encourage them to be gay. this could be a bad cycle. like i said i dont think gays are bad people but theres some things i think should stay normal.

Marriage is not really a tradition of a religion in the modern day. It is a legal partnership between two individuals, legally making them relatives, etc.? Right? :)

[online.education]

i dont think being gay necessarily makes you a bad person but i am against gay marriage. marriage is a christian tradition and as a christian i think that it should stay as a bond between a man and a women. i also think that when gay people raise kids they may encourage them to be gay. this could be a bad cycle. like i said i dont think gays are bad people but theres some things i think should stay normal.

Ok ...

Then is it ok for you to see Muslim gays getting married? How about Buddhist gays? Atheist gays?

I'm just curious to know ...

[ben]

It makes absolutely no sense what so ever why anything in this world should be effected by religion. Have a religion, fine. But there is no reason for it to change anything else.

[cyopets]

I just don't get why anyone has the asinine belief that someone gave them the authority to preach their ideas and values to others as if they should even be given the time of day.

To anyone who bitches out an says "I'm not homophobic, I just support the Christian values in which this country was founded on" chew on this....

You, your mom, your dad, your pastor, and your God are no better and no more righteous than anyone else's. When the day comes that humanity gets this bogus notion that anyone gives a damn what they think out of their silly little heads, the sooner we can consider acting as 1 nation.

I believe that homosexuality is derived from both a persons genes and the psychological development that person underwent as a child. I have read many accredited articles on the web suggesting this is true.

To those of you who are against the gay lifestyle....

How would you handle your God giving you a child who is gay? It could totally flip your perspective of your religion.

[MuddSlinger]

I love how topics like this always seem to take on a religious debate.. I have to ask what makes marriage a Christian tradition? Please show factual documentation stating this claim that marriage is solely a Christian tradition!!

It's been proving that being gay is in your genes or w/e and that you can't turn gay. That means that if your straight, you can turn gay and turn back straight right? I've never heard of a true story of somebody who changes orientations.

again, present some factual documentation on this statement.. I ask for it because your statement is very flawed. Some people are victims of Sexual Abuse who experience sexual abuse for long periods of time, in fact can become gay when they wouldn't have if the sexual abuse never took place.

also, you've never heard of someone changing orientations? What about the men or women who have become gay after 20+ years of marriage and having kids? You saying that just one day their genes came out and told them you've always been gay so now your gay? Ya, right!!


Now, before someone gets all oh your a homophobe let me say this my youngest brother is gay, and yes he has been gay since birth so I'm not arguing that some people are born gay or its in their genes but I am arguing that not every person gay is born gay....

[Fly]

Some people are victims of Sexual Abuse who experience sexual abuse for long periods of time, in fact can become gay when they wouldn't have if the sexual abuse never took place.

I agree with this, and it happens to be the cause of my 2nd best friend in the world being a lesbian. Before the abuse she was "straight". Dating guys was a pasttime she enjoyed. Now she can't stand the thought and only goes out with women, and does not even want a male as her friend.

[ben]

So what your saying is that those who are Homosexual, etc. are this way due to the following:

1) The way they were raised.
2) Sexual/Physical/Mental Abuse as a juvenile.
3) Media Spread
4) Religious Activity

Really, these in my opinion mean nothing. I don't find this to be true, with some exceptions. I am not a supporter of the "they were born this way" theory though. Your orientations is your orientations. You don't even have to know what sex is to be gay.

You could live in a world with no media, no religion, no parental guardians, etc. and STILL be homosexual/bisexual/straight.

If your saying this isn't true, then would we all be single and nothing. What would make us straight? Being straight isn't something that's just.."natural" its just more common.

Thank you.

[online.education]

You could live in a world with no media, no religion, no parental guardians, etc. and STILL be homosexual/bisexual/straight.

Thank you.

Yeah,

Also you do find homosexuality within animals like penguins. So, you find it in the nature. Now, that's the very definition of 'natural.'

[Celestial Dragon]

Oh, who doesn't support them?

No one answer that question, okay. Okay.

But I do support gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transexuals, asexuals, metrosexuals.. Everything. Sexuality is so cool and fascinating, and it's so silly that people get so "zomg evil" about it. But people are silly.

Not like there's anything wrong with it. Doesn't hurt them, doesn't hurt us, it makes me fascinated, and everyone should be happy.

EDIT: Oh, I'm so silly. I should have read the second page and not just the third and first.

As for the person with a lesbian friend who used to be straight -- if she was abused by a male, it's entirely possible that her dislike for dating those of the male persuasion stems from either a new dislike of anything slightly like the abuse she had to undergo, or the abuse undermined her perception of all males in general. I'm wondering that if, many years down the road, if she ever comes fully to terms with the abuse, she might become more heterosexual than she is presently.

Something like that.

But on the note of people who suddenly "become" gay after marriage -- it's entirely possible that they simply felt for a woman, but in a very non-sexual way. And because society, until recently, has been dangerously anti-gay they simply did what was encouraged by society -- settle down and have a wife. Not a partner, a wife. With cooking skills and everything.

People tend to know a lot about their sexuality by the time they're about sixteen-eighteen.

FUN STORY.

My uncle Winston (or something, it was some British name) from England almost got beat to death with a frozen leg of lamb 'cause some very homophobic dudes found out about his sexuality. Now he's a mayor of some town in England or something. But the point of telling this story is to underline how negative people can be about it, particularly back in the more conservative society that we had in the past.

[xAnonymousx]

I think it's normal, most people are born that way.

[ben]

Moving on, as i haven't been back here in a while..
I'd like to ask who is against homosexuality/bisexuality?

If you are, please post and make a reasonable attempt t explain yourself. And please don't say it's just wrong, etc. [AKA. if you are some gang banger who wants to talk shit with no real reason. or not. xD]


Anyhow, It is rather absurd in schools how people will be so ignorant as in talking shit, hating, rumor spreading, etc. of gay/bi people. Gah.

[online.education]

Anyhow, It is rather absurd in schools how people will be so ignorant as in talking shit, hating, rumor spreading, etc. of gay/bi people. Gah.

Well, that's what children do in schools ...:rolleyes:

[Viral]

Against? I wouldn't say I'm against it (how can you be against something that cannot change?) but I wouldn't say I'm entirely comfortable with it. I'm fine with gay marriage and homosexuals doing what they think is good, rapture to all, but it's not something I could do by any stretch of the imagination.

[online.education]

Against? I wouldn't say I'm against it (how can you be against something that cannot change?) but I wouldn't say I'm entirely comfortable with it. I'm fine with gay marriage and homosexuals doing what they think is good, rapture to all, but it's not something I could do by any stretch of the imagination.

It's a bit difficult for a heterosexual man (woman) to start holding another man's (woman's) hands like he holds his girlfriend / wife's hand, isn't? And vice versa ...