Medco called me last night

[Moof]

I tried to use Medco, but they informed me that my insurance doesn't cover acne meds. x_x

[cpvr]

I tried to use Medco, but they informed me that my insurance doesn't cover acne meds. x_x

How much do you pay for acne meds?

If you're broke, you shouldn't have kids, that's what I'm saying.
Medicaid is for people that have fallen on hard times that have kids to feed already
I don't think it's right for our community to have to pay for poor people to reproduce and have kids.
Essentially, don't have kids if you can't afford it - number one indicator that you can't afford it: you're on Medicaid.

Okay, I don't see your point? She was doing fine before her daughter was born, so what are you saying - if you get pregnant, you should have an abortion? Is that what you're preaching? My niece is fine though, she doesn't have much medical problems - except that she needs tubs her ears.

When my ex was pregnant, she had a job, I made her quit because I was working full time and could get the heath insurance that my family needed - which means, you can be a parent and still work for your family. And that's what the government is here for, to help those in needs. But, if you ask me about those selling their food stamps for drugs, then ya, they shouldn't have it. But, trying to deny the fact that people use it because they can't cover their own costs is absurd. I think if you were in the same position as those that need health insurance, especially with a baby, your views would be a lot different.

Also, there's a lot of people in this world that need government assistant - in terms of health care and other things - that does not make them a bad person. The government designed these things for the people.

And plus, you can't always prevent a pregnancy from happening.

Not at $97/month in server costs & other expenses...

Oh ya? You don't have bills? I have plenty of things to pay for, my phone bill, house rent, and having the movie package channel for directTV. Do I still have money to spend and fund certain things that I did, yes. It's not hard to save money if you cut out the costs of food and other things. You're also forgetting that I pay $200 for rent/month, cigs $40/week, and other things that I may need. It's not hard to save money at all, I've done it before.

And plus, if money was an issue for this community, or I, I would have never upgraded the server to begin with, so I'm not sure why that was brought up.

[Dawnshadow]

1. Meds are ridiculously expensive. @_@ My grandpa has these cancer ones (thankful insurance is there) that cost 6k. @_@

2. I agree with @Gabby that people should only have children if they can support themselves (such as if food stamps just stopped, what would happen to the people that rely on them?) However, as long as the child is adequately being taken care of (such as with @cpvr) there is not much of a problem.

I just know that if I ever become pregnant, the child will only be born if my finances are stable and I can afford it. Just saying. :/ (I know what it is like to grow up in a money-restricted house and it is not a pleasant experience as it provokes arguments and such... I wouldn't want to put anyone through that if it wasn't needed)

[Michi]

@Gabby you have to think. Sometimes you need the extra help. There is a lot of people who become disable and still have kids too that are on medicaid. I grew up being on medicaid even. Kids are not a planned thing. Sometimes it happens and it can happen to many. Hell you can only get welfare these days if you have kids.

As for the saving money thing. You can still have bills and save money. It takes a dollar a day to become rich basically. Why should it matter that cpvr upgraded the server? There is a lot you haven't taken account for like cpvr said. Hell I pay right now $400 a month, $100 a week for food, and for other stuff. Its not easy. Yet I still find time to donate to the site or buy a new game.

Edit: What about if the person was raped and pregnant but their beliefs doesn't allow them to get rid of the child? They weren't ready for a kid, not in a good financial situation, and need the help. Should you look down on the mother for following her beliefs and getting help though medicaid to keep the child healthy? What about those who were in good situations when deciding they should have a child and then something happens during pregnancy that changes the situation to bad like they lost their jobs. You know they are still going to keep their kid no matter what. Just with a little help now. Or they have a kid and one of the parents walk out on them or get divorce and whatnot? You don't know the situation to judge those who need financial help that have kids.

[bauss]

If you're broke, you shouldn't have kids, that's what I'm saying.
Medicaid is for people that have fallen on hard times that have kids to feed already
I don't think it's right for our community to have to pay for poor people to reproduce and have kids.
Essentially, don't have kids if you can't afford it - number one indicator that you can't afford it: you're on Medicaid.


Not at $97/month in server costs & other expenses...

Why are you being so rude? Not all people plan to have kids. The community doesn't pay for people to have kids, are you that delusional? They pay for people in need of social assistance with their taxes. Yes some people abuse the system, but there is actually people that need it, because it can be hard to find a job, especially if they don't even have a high school diploma.

I can tell you right now that this forum makes more then $97 a month, it has a nice amount of traffic, and a active community.

[Gabby]

Okay, I don't see your point? She was doing fine before her daughter was born, so what are you saying - if you get pregnant, you should have an abortion? Is that what you're preaching? My niece is fine though, she doesn't have much medical problems - except that she needs tubs her ears.

You don't see my point because I'm generalizing. As I just explained to you in private, I don't agree with abortions, unless it's rape and/or the fetus is very deformed or unhealthy. It's circumstantial. For everything that has happened in your family, no, I don't agree with abortion. Don't ask me my views on abortion, though, they contradict each other all the time - it's because I'm very sensitive towards it. Very. I avoid the topic as much as I can. If any one comments on my views on abortion, I'm just going to ignore it from here on.

I'm not preaching anything, chill.
If anything, I am conversing to you about how I feel about people having children on Medicaid. I don't know how you just derailed this into abortion, I never even mentioned abortion, lol. I'm thinking of a completely different thing than you are.
And now I'm apparently being attacked for it? Meh.

When my ex was pregnant, she had a job, I made her quit because I was working full time and could get the heath insurance that my family needed - which means, you can be a parent and still work for your family. And that's what the government is here for, to help those in needs. But, if you ask me about those selling their food stamps for drugs, then ya, they shouldn't have it. But, trying to deny the fact that people use it because they can't cover their own costs is absurd. I think if you were in the same position as those that need health insurance, especially with a baby, your views would be a lot different.

Again, my fiance is on Medicaid, so I would really appreciate it if you stop saying "if you were in the same position.." I very much could be. That's why I'm thinking of these things and mentioning them now. I exercise proper birth control to avoid an unplanned pregnancy. I think it's absurd for anyone to mindlessly have sex unprotected expecting the taxpayers to pay for their mistake. I'm not saying that would be you, but it wouldn't be any better if you decided you could afford kids on Medicaid, that's all I'm saying. I don't know if you would, I don't even mean to declare or judge that you would.. Truthfully, I am just conversing about it. I'm not even trying to start a debate.

Also, there's a lot of people in this world that need government assistant - in terms of health care and other things - that does not make them a bad person. The government designed these things for the people.

No shit, Mike is on Medicaid. Before Medicaid, he was on Child Health Plus. I thank everyday these plans exist. They honestly help me sleep at night..

And plus, you can't always prevent a pregnancy from happening.

There are birth control methods that literally cover ~99% from an unplanned pregnancy from happening, if it's used correctly. If you're one of the 1% that found the margin of error, I would never judge that. But that's a slim chance, if you ask me..

Oh ya? You don't have bills? I have plenty of things to pay for, my phone bill, house rent, and having the movie package channel for directTV. Do I still have money to spend and fund certain things that I did, yes. It's not hard to save money if you cut out the costs of food and other things. You're also forgetting that I pay $200 for rent/month, cigs $40/week, and other things that I may need. It's not hard to save money at all, I've done it before.

I'm glad you manage your finances well. I was just making a statement, not doubting you. Why are you so defensive? I'm not attacking you at all..

And plus, if money was an issue for this community, or I, I would have never upgraded the server to begin with, so I'm not sure why that was brought up.

I didn't think money was an issue, I was just making a statement. Calm downnn

2. I agree with @Gabby that people should only have children if they can support themselves (such as if food stamps just stopped, what would happen to the people that rely on them?) However, as long as the child is adequately being taken care of (such as with @cpvr) there is not much of a problem.

Yep! cpvr is lovely to Harmony. I would have objected a long time ago if I felt anything else [probably wouldn't be apart of this community now if so.. ]

I just know that if I ever become pregnant, the child will only be born if my finances are stable and I can afford it. Just saying. :/ (I know what it is like to grow up in a money-restricted house and it is not a pleasant experience as it provokes arguments and such... I wouldn't want to put anyone through that if it wasn't needed)

Not a fan of abortion, but each circumstance is different, and I don't always judge mothers that get abortions. I generally agree with what you're saying, though. Finanically stable home is honestly the best for a child, and that's precisely what I mean by 'planned pregnancy'. I'm glad you understood. Thank you so much for the support

@Gabby you have to think. Sometimes you need the extra help. There is a lot of people who become disable and still have kids too that are on medicaid. I grew up being on medicaid even. Kids are not a planned thing. Sometimes it happens and it can happen to many. Hell you can only get welfare these days if you have kids.

I said "Medicaid is for people that have fallen on hard times that have kids to feed already". My fiance has the same issues as cpvr, and if we had kids, I wouldn't feel any less than cpvr does. I'm speaking for the people in the opposite situations. I don't know why you think I'm not? The issue I'm talking about is when people have more kids on welfare purposefully. That's wrong. I wasn't suggesting cpvr did that though, I don't think cpvr even applies to this to begin with. I just said "don't have any more kids" out of conversational banter, isn't that common sense, though? Biting more than you can chew.. Lol. I dunno. Maybe I'm speaking to the wrong crowd about this

As for the saving money thing. You can still have bills and save money. It takes a dollar a day to become rich basically. Why should it matter that cpvr upgraded the server? There is a lot you haven't taken account for like cpvr said. Hell I pay right now $400 a month, $100 a week for food, and for other stuff. Its not easy. Yet I still find time to donate to the site or buy a new game.

That's good! Again, I just made a statement, I don't know why people are reading more into it. Lol

Edit: What about if the person was raped and pregnant but their beliefs doesn't allow them to get rid of the child? They weren't ready for a kid, not in a good financial situation, and need the help. Should you look down on the mother for following her beliefs and getting help though medicaid to keep the child healthy?

Not. At. All. I'm a little upset you assumed I felt that way. I'd do everything I could to help the mother. But on topic, that's why those programs exist, and that's what I'm defending- the purpose of the program. I know there are so many people who cheat the system (ignorantly also), that's my concern (and where the statement stemmed from, not from cpvr).

What about those who were in good situations when deciding they should have a child and then something happens during pregnancy that changes the situation to bad like they lost their jobs. You know they are still going to keep their kid no matter what. Just with a little help now. Or they have a kid and one of the parents walk out on them or get divorce and whatnot? You don't know the situation to judge those who need financial help that have kids.

... I have already answered this multiple times. x_x I would really appreciate if my words weren't misconstrued.

Why are you being so rude?

@cpvr agrees that neither of us were being rude. So I believe you might be getting very poor vibes arbitrarily.
Refer to the answers I've made earlier in this post. I have been very calm and speaking out of conversation; I don't see where I could be mistaken as rude, other than the fact my reply was short in the post you quoted. The reason why I was short was because I'm not worried about cpvr. I know he's not cheating the system. And again, I was just chatting, not personally attacking anyone.

Not all people plan to have kids.

But the unplanned factor is circumstantial. It depends on the situation.

The community doesn't pay for people to have kids, are you that delusional?

Delusional? I no longer believe I'm the one being rude.
I have not addressed you, or cpvr, in that manner. I would appreciate if you refrain from using that language in your replies to me. I speak out of personal feelings, nothing more, as this is a sensitive topic to me, and I'm starting to feel trite.

Anyway. Yes, you're correct, the community doesn't have to pay people to have kids. That wasn't the point I was trying to make.
Allow me to reexplain, I seem to have lost you:
Medicaid is provided through taxpayer dollars, so those on Medicaid who believe they can afford having more kids have a large flaw in their logic. That flaw being they can't afford having more kids without taxpayer help.

They pay for people in need of social assistance with their taxes. Yes some people abuse the system, but there is actually people that need it, because it can be hard to find a job, especially if they don't even have a high school diploma.

It's economic assistance, not social.
I'm happy the system is there, like for my fiance, who isn't abusing it. I'm also glad it will be there for cpvr when he turns 25+. I'm not happy with the amount of people who are on it to cheat it - having kids on the system so they don't have to pay for their health insurance themselves.

I can tell you right now that this forum makes more then $97 a month, it has a nice amount of traffic, and a active community.

OK.

[cpvr]

@Gabby

I exercise proper birth control to avoid an unplanned pregnancy. I think it's absurd for anyone to mindlessly have sex unprotected expecting the taxpayers to pay for their mistake. I'm not saying that would be you, but it wouldn't be any better if you decided you could afford kids on Medicaid, that's all I'm saying. I don't know if you would, I don't even mean to declare or judge that you would.. Truthfully, I am just conversing about it. I'm not even trying to start a debate.

Birth control can sometimes fuck up as well.

There are birth control methods that literally cover ~99% from an unplanned pregnancy from happening, if it's used correctly. If you're one of the 1% that found the margin of error, I would never judge that. But that's a slim chance, if you ask me..

There's still a 1% factor though. Even if the doctor claims its the best. Nobody can really determine if a pregnancy can or cannot happen. It's apart of life.

Yep! cpvr is lovely to Harmony. I would have objected a long time ago if I felt anything else [probably wouldn't be apart of this community now if so.. ]

She's the greatest thing that has ever happened to me. I don't know what I'd be doing today if I wasn't a daddy.

Medicaid is provided through taxpayer dollars, so those on Medicaid who believe they can afford having more kids have a large flaw in their logic. That flaw being they can't afford having more kids without taxpayer help.

I see, but who are we to judge on this?

It's economic assistance, not social.
I'm happy the system is there, like for my fiance, who isn't abusing it. I'm also glad it will be there for cpvr when he turns 25+. I'm not happy with the amount of people who are on it to cheat it - having kids on the system so they don't have to pay for their health insurance themselves.

I'll be getting booted off my parent's insurance when I turn 25 though, so I'll more than likely pay for Medicaid. Its something I rarely think about though.

Why are you being so rude? Not all people plan to have kids. The community doesn't pay for people to have kids, are you that delusional? They pay for people in need of social assistance with their taxes. Yes some people abuse the system, but there is actually people that need it, because it can be hard to find a job, especially if they don't even have a high school diploma.

I can tell you right now that this forum makes more then $97 a month, it has a nice amount of traffic, and a active community.

Actually, you're right in the sense not all people plan to have kids, but calling @Gabby rude is kind of wrong on this subject, but I see where you're coming from. The government assistance-programs are a life saver for many people. Especially for those that can't work, have a disorder, or have a family to run without any help. Food stamps help out a ton of people,. but then again, you have people that abuse it by selling it to others.

And no, VPL is not quite that profitable[yet].

[Gabby]

Question: if both of us agree, why are we still arguing?
Something I've yet to understand about this forum is why people continue arguing after it's been established both parties are on the same 'side', if you will.

Birth control can sometimes fuck up as well.

There's still a 1% factor though. Even if the doctor claims its the best.

I don't really trust doctors..

Nobody can really determine if a pregnancy can or cannot happen. It's apart of life.

Neither can you, though.

She's the greatest thing that has ever happened to me. I don't know what I'd be doing today if I wasn't a daddy.

I love that you have Harmony. I'm not knocking the past. I'm concerned about the future. You and Harmony are a big inspiration to me, anyways. It gives me hope that there is/was good parents under the age of 21 (I know you're 22 now, but you were 18 when you had Harmony)

I see, but who are we to judge on this?

^^ Steve Brule reference.

I'll be getting booted off my parent's insurance when I turn 25 though, so I'll more than likely pay for Medicaid. Its something I rarely think about though.

By law it's 26... Unless it's different for you Not sure...

Actually, you're right in the sense not all people plan to have kids, but calling @Gabby rude is kind of wrong on this subject, but I see where you're coming from.

<3

The government assistance-programs are a life saver for many people. Especially for those that can't work, have a disorder, or have a family to run without any help. Food stamps help out a ton of people,. but then again, you have people that abuse it by selling it to others.

I know right? The abusers will reap their karma, that's what I believe, anyway...

And no, VPL is not quite that profitable[yet].

^^ Thank you

[Moof]

@cpvr
The acne meds normally retail for $822, but I have some weird rebate card that gets it down to 86. Supposedly the drug company runs a mail order pharmacy that sells the stuff for $25, however after jumping through all their hoops I still haven't gotten anything out of them. 86 is still too expensive in my opinion. I will be asking my dermatologist to switch me to something else.

[cpvr]

@cpvr
The acne meds normally retail for $822, but I have some weird rebate card that gets it down to 86. Supposedly the drug company runs a mail order pharmacy that sells the stuff for $25, however after jumping through all their hoops I still haven't gotten anything out of them. 86 is still too expensive in my opinion. I will be asking my dermatologist to switch me to something else.

That's a whole lot of money, I hope you can get the price down or find something much cheaper. I couldn't imagine paying that type of price for any type of medications, that's ridiculous.