Paladore Staff

[Monologue]

Paladore does not get heated up like this at all, in the Shoutbox nor the forums (Except for the recent announcement post, which got some users from here and there to debate on these subjects.)

Sorry to quote, Gwonk, since I know you left the thread, but this particular line has forced me to come out with my opinion. Now, I don't know a lot about a lot of the particular situations that have been gone over in this thread, but I have been a Paladore member for like...a week maybe, and I have seen various threads and shoutbox conversations that have indeed gotten "heated up". I'm not saying this to stir up trouble, and I'm not going to say who or what I saw, just that I have seen some things that make me nervous about the community.

Now, on the flip side, my personal experiences with the staff have been just fine. I posted an "urgent" bug in the in bug center only to find out that I was being a total idiot, and Ole personally answered my post and was happy that I figured my problem out and didn't seem at all irritated that I had wasted his time. I know other sites (again, I'm not naming names) that would have gotten after me for that kind of noobish act.

I've seen more users with extremely negative attitudes than I have seen staff members acting up, in whatever fashion. Again, I haven't been on the site very long, so I don't know as much as y'all posting above me. I plan on sticking around, because I enjoy the site for what it is at the moment. It's a sharp little game, not perfect, but quite enjoyable.

[Joy]

is this the same Alex that worked on Lurapets?

They are not.

[Toad]

First of all, if you do not want to see personal issues, do not read my post. But let me just tell you, if all the friends you have on the site left because of the staff, then there is indeed something wrong.

All of the friends that I invited to Paladore and their friends have indeed left. Currently, I only have people on Xat and Chu that I talk to religiously and I stay mainly because of them. The main factor to why my other friends quit the site was because of the mini-boss change that hinted my friends that there will be issues that can gravitate around the staff. I also saw this as well and I was pretty bummed at the fact that there was a better suggested option that pleases the both QUESTERS and CAMPERS (since it was originally the quest problem and not whether who wants to catch this certain pali or not), but they opted to go for another easier, potentially spoonfeeding, route. But no one's complaining now so I guess that's a resolved issue and I don't want to expound on that.

Lets just get this straight: it seems like a lot of the decisions of the staff made me feel that I was not appreciated for the efforts I've given out even if I proved that the system can work for the people that were happy enough to try it. It felt very unfair for me to bust myself to do things when they suddenly become easier, far too easier, to get. And my friends who left felt the same way. They felt little appreciation to what time they've spent for the site, efforts to give to the community and some of them even regret shelling money out to the site because the staff seemed to just give things to the user base when they complain. Sure they "listen" to the people. It's a good thing to take pride of. But the decisions they decided to act out seemed to not fit rightly to tastes of the people that gave more than just mere time for the site, but also their dedication. I could have just quit and stopped this stress for myself all together since even now my friends are wondering why I put myself in this situation, but I didn't leave. I wanted to give it (by it I mean everything) a chance and see if it will change for the better and hope that I can help change things.

I'm saying this because they constantly cater to the casuals mainly because they are the majority of the site. And I see the point of why they want to do this, but also take note that in almost every gaming site, the casuals will indeed outnumber the people who are dedicated to the site. In effect, the challenge you present to the dedicated people are lessened and they are driven out of the site mainly because it started to decrease the interest in the game. And we all know, most casuals come and go if you don't keep on presenting them new things to play with. I don't think always catering to them would make the site better, and that they should place more challenges for the people that are dedicated enough to do. We've presented how much a group dedicated people of the site could do with the item hunter (finished that in a few days). Although, I do appreciate that they have given us challenging tasks such as the 999 pali extermination quests. Their current event now is also quite challenging to the people that don't have time. I am glad that they are now doing something for the people that will stay on the site longer than the rest, and hopefully they also take seriously what these people are saying and observing and not just go for majority's choice because, like I said, most people are casual and the will come and go.

I have yet to see the staff work better than they have. Instead, I see them go down. I would have left upon seeing the two staff members talk about me in such a way that seemed like they degraded my opinions since I was the "friends of the campers" (which I wasn't nor was my friend in question), but no. It was offensive and it did offend me since I value my opinions highly as I value the opinions of other people (and yes, I do honestly take into consideration what everyone else is saying, even the staff and the supporters of the staff, but I will not lie to you if I still see something wrong or if I do not like what you've said), and to see that someone just belittles opinions of certain people makes me furious. My friend may have taken it better since he quit the site and doesn't give any care about what is being said about him or if people are trying to look bad, but it was still, for me, very unjust for the staff to do so. He already left to avoid the drama all together and yet he's still being blamed for something he already decided to wash his hands over. I can't just stand this. Even if it happened to someone else, I will not settle nor give my full respect to people that stereotypes other people, makes it look like their opinions don't matter and then run away when facts are given. I have indeed forgiven this offense, but I need to state it out cause it is indeed rude and it is what the staff is potentially capable of doing to certain people they don't like. It is good to know that I haven't seen them do this and name drop people, but then with their current comments, they are still stereotyping people into groups and still blame them as a whole. "Certain people disrespect the staff", "certain people tell lies"; stop the blaming, please. We don't do this to ruin your site or bash it, we do this to get answers.

And I'm finally, FINALLY, glad that someone posted Velxeor's warning list. And I'd just touch up on this subject since it's not allowed: now people can see that Velxeor got fined for joking to his friends. These offenses weren't taken as offensive to the friends, but some third party. And we know that there was a league out to get Velxeor. If they indeed got penalized for that, then why does Vel still have these offenses marked in his warnings and has received grave actions for it? He was given a fine far too grave than the people that jumped on him. And in fact, these people even harassed a lot of others, more than what Velxeor did. Velxeor just looks bad because people provoke him and it's human nature to try and defend yourself. He may have done it in a rude manner, but he was polite at the beginning of things, but people still continued to harass him. I am not saying he has no fault in all this, I am saying is that there are also other factors to why Velxeor did what he did and people need to know this. And still seeing that the head of this league of people isn't banned, I just don't know what else to think. It's also ironic that these people intentionally harass others and aren't seen as "bad people for the public", but when people are actually trying to keep check the rules, they are looked upon as "mean bullies out to get you". At least, that's how I see this being played out. And for one, if I accidentally cross a member of this league (I don't know who exactly they are), they might also make me look bad. I am actually terrified now. Hopefully they're through with their "making people look bad" antics and that they don't go back in doing so. But if it was me, I would make sure and stop them.

I am also glad to hear news that they will be stricter from now on. I will finally get peace from seeing sexual comments, sexuality talks and bad mouthing in the shout box. We have TONS of these every day and it's a PG 13 site. And when someone says that the conversation may be inappropriate, these people that talk about such topics ask for certain rules that say so. Isn't being a PG 13 site enough to say that such discussions are inappropriate? And it's also funny that a person contributing to these discussions asked for proof from the rules, but reported someone else for mini-modding. Things here get overlooked by the staff, more often than not. Mainly because they are very lenient and want to make things fun for everyone. But there are certain fun things that are inappropriate. Like talking about drugs and piracy of certain games for certain hand-held consoles. Then when people who stand up and say that these are potentially inappropriate, especially when they are in the certain stereotyped group, these people that try to comply with the rules are immediately look bad and are seen as rude people. Sometimes, they even get ganged upon on the shoutbox. Believe me, there are too many incidents like this. I don't sit well with it so I just ignore as the staff wants me to. Hopefully news about them being stricter officials is not just to certain people, but to everyone and that this news is indeed true.

It is too early to say that the staff is changing for the better and they can't all change in one day. It seems like Ole doesn't want to fire people right now and that they're hopefully going over their rules and the system of regulating them. Hopefully they also see and understand that there are a lot of things that can be taken against them with just their rules page and I wish them luck. All I can give them is time to fix these issues and hope that they take into consideration what people are saying regardless of them being part of certain groups of people.

[Velxeor]

If anyone was wondering about the "fake" suggestions, here was what I typed. There might've been a line or two that got changed before I made the thread, but it's generally the same.

These are just some things I think should be changed to make Paladore much more fair place for players~


Restocking


Paladore currently has 1772 players and counting. The Shop of Doom is currently the only shop on Paladore, which means you will potentially have 1771 other users to compete against to restock 1 item.


The Shop of Doom restocks every time on the minute and as someone pointed out, it does not always restock a rare item. Some people simply do not have the time to sit around and constantly refresh so every item should always be in the Shop of Doom.


The captcha gets in the way of beating someone to restocking a high rarity item. People who cannot type as fast or have a slow internet connection will never get the item they want to buy. This also gives people who are fast typers and have a fast internet connection an unfair advantage over people. I suggest removing this feature.


Another unfair advantage people get are restockstreaks. People who cannot restock fast enough lose out on being able to use the restockstreak advantages. Why should people have to work for restockstreaks? They range from disabling a person from buying an item to instanting restocking the shop. Everyone should have access to every restockstreak or this feature should be removed completely to make it fair.


Sure, people can go buy from user shops, but people usually do not purposefully price items low just so others can buy them to sell for higher; They purposely sell items higher than they bought it in the Shop of Doom to make a profit.


Casino


I see a lot of people say they lose on the roulette in the casino, so why not just make the roulette double everyone's rubies every spin? Everyone wins that way and nobody loses any rubies.


The raffle allows users to buy 48 raffle tickets at 100 rubies each, but they limit it to only letting you buy 1 ticket every hour. That would require someone having to check in for 48 hours and having 4,800 rubies to spend to be able to buy all 48 tickets. I, for one, can't sit here and earn 100 extra rubies every hour to buy raffle tickets. There's also a chance involved. The more ticket one buys, the higher their chances are of winning the raffle. This gives people who bought all 48 tickets an unfair advantage.


Most of the time, less than half the coins are tails on Moniki Flip. There is a 1/32 chance of all 5 coins landing on heads. That's too little of a chance. It is near impossible and Moniki Flip should be changed to a higher chance of success. It also pays very little in terms of rubies. It would be nice if it gives you at least 1,000 rubies on the first round. I simply cannot afford the 25 rubies it costs to start the game.


Relic Auctions say you buy an item just so you can auction them for a higher amount of rubies, but why can't you keep the item? If I paid for it then I expect to have it. Those auctions don't seem like a very practical way of earning money either, seeing how more than half of the items get sold for less than what you would originally pay for. People spend too much money on these useless items and there is a low chance of success. This will need to be changed as well.


The Fruit Slots have a high reward, but that only caters to only one person who manages to hit the jackpot. They will be given a high amount of rubies which will make them richer than most people. I, like most people, can't sit around all day and play slots. There also appears to be a low probability of actually getting all four rubies to obtain the jackpot. That probability needs some tweaking and the money needs to be distributed equally among the users of Paladore.


Whenever I go to the Mystery Bags, I don't always see bags there, but when I do, I don't have enough tokens to buy them. Tokens should be easier to get and there should always be bags there. A better idea would be to give everyone an unlimited amount of bags.


Palia


The bosses are too hard to beat and I don't have the time to train my Pali to beat them, like many other people. The bosses should all receive a major downgrade. I do not want to spend my time training Pali just to get pass one boss.


Catching Pali are also very hard(not even gonna start on the three Fasers Chu caught). People say it took them 8+ hours (weeks even) to catch a Pali they want. They are obviously ridiculously high and people have shown struggles to catch them. You should let people be able to catch the Pali after every battle so everyone can get their dream Pali.


This brings up my next topic: Souls. It is near impossible to get a decent one, let alone one with a +200 magic attack bonus. The fact that you need to either use a soulstone or extract a soul from a Pali is already frustrating enough. Soulstones are barely dropped by Pali and only the people who are capable of grinding hours on end can obtain a high amount of these. Make soulstones drop more often.


The Soul Tree has 1 open slot at level 1. With every level after that, it gains 5 open slots. It goes up to level 40 so you will have a total of 196 slots. People already struggle to get one Pali and I highly doubt they would want to extract the soul of a Pali they spent so long on trying to get. There should just be a plethora of souls everyone has access to so everyone's Pali's Soul Tree can be filled with +200 MA souls.


Flutes are also another issue because of this. People who have more time to grind for them will obviously get more. This gives them an advantage over the people who do not have the time to invest to copious amounts of grinding. You should make flutes drop after every battle so everyone can get them.


The rankings show a lot of high level pets and I only see the same people over and over on the first few pages. It caters to the people with high-leveled pets by showing them off like trophies. Chu's and twinArmageddons's pets have been constantly ranked as the top. My Pali deserve to be in that number one spot just as much as Chu's Pali do. The majority of the users don't have as much time as them to sit around all day and mindlessly grind. I want a feature that everyone has access to that will automatically level your pet up with minimal to no effort involved.


Traversing from one part of the map to a mini-boss is too much work. I want every mini-boss to be clustered together on one map so I don't have to spend my time going to a spawn point. I'm sure a lot of people will like this idea because I saw some complaining about traveling between their current position and a mini-boss spawn.


Why is there a win rate listed? It discourages people when they see how many fights twinArmageddons has won compared to how many fights they won. People also get discouraged when they see their own number of losses so that should be removed as well.


Parties only have enough room for seven people. There's too little active parties. What if someone does not want to join a party for the double experience bonus? It would be unfair to them. Double experience for everyone 24/7.


Adventure


A lot of people hate the fact that some Pali are found only in Adventure, because that lowers the capture rate a lot more. The rates are ridiculously low for capturing a Pali in Adventure and everyone would be happier if it was made easier to capture.


It's not fair people with premium get an extra 50% energy to use while playing Adventure. I do not have any extra money nor time to invest to get crystals to get premium. I do not have any access to this advantage. Everyone should get an unlimited amount of energy.


The maps are too hard to get. I gave up trying to get them after 5 tries. I always get little rubies and useless items. Should just make all the maps open to everyone.


The games are boring, inane tasks.They do not even give you a decent amount of rubies. It takes forever just to reach one goal for one mini-game and they expect us to reach 3 different scores in a set amount of time? It's ridiculous.


Other


Lucier is a freaking troll. It is never full when people need it to be and they end up losing sleep just to morph Pali. Making Lucier full 24/7 will solve a lot of problems. No one would have to stay up until 3 AM to morph their Pali.


The bank interest is too low. I never have enough rubies in there to get over 10 rubies. Earning more takes too much work. They should increase the interest by a significant amount.


These all seem like a good suggestion to make everything fair for people. No one will complain about it, because they all have an equal chance. You should all contribute to how we can make Paladore an even more fair place ^^

Here's the original thread: http://www.paladore.com/forums.php?a...c&topicid=2154

As you can see, Alex pointed out I mentioned I was going to make it. No moderators said I couldn't, so I really didn't see why this was added as one of the reasons why I was banned. In fact, Lee even said I'm allowed to.

It was locked the next day. The original reason was "Get back under your bridge, troll!" or something along those lines.

[Dyl]

Gosh sorry but those changes especially the whole boss thing.. its like you want the game to beat itself for you.. its not suppose to take seconds to beat the rpg feature. :/ just my two cents. It's the major feature on there and you have to work hard. That's the point of the game. ALWAYS catch a pali is a bit exaggerated. That would be completely pointless.
I agree with the restock ordeal but not have it restock with every item. I didn't even read after the boss thing because that surprised me you want it that easy. I love training my pets. It's the point of the gameplay.

[G0D]

@Dyl
Uh... I think you missed the point entirely.

Vel was a proponent of NOT having the game be easy for everyone. But, as even polls that favored keeping mini bosses the SAME were ignored, it seemed as if the goal of the site was to basically make the game easy for anyone, even casual players. Players that don't put as much daily effort into the game as others. In fact, some users who were making the arguments for making mini bosses instanced were saying things that amounted to, "Just because you play on Paladore for 10 hours every day, that doesn't mean you should be rewarded more than me, because I can't be online more than 2 hous a day." If you think about that notion... its pretty ludicrous. Users shouldn't feel entitled to the same things (be it mini bosses or other site gains) as other users who put vastly more time and effort into the site.

The suggestions he made were merely an attempt to underscore the fact that always making changes to have it be EASIER for casual players does what you've just said -- sucks the fun out of the game and makes it pointless for people who actually like a challenge. Many of the site's top active users left the game because of the decisions that were made, which instigated Vel to write this. To make a point, essentially.

[FallenAngel]

In regards to Lee "not being head mod"

OleeeeeeIf you can find the time says:

try not to think of her as a leader

She is user admin but whenever there is something that needs to be done, more often than not, I help her out with leading the moderators and giving her instructions to do.

[kristie91]

@Velxeor I don't think you should of been banned for having an opinion or that the thread should of been locked. To be honest I don't agree with a lot of your statements but you should still have the right to state what you think would help the game. Most of the statements I don't agree with because it would make the game to easy and then basically I would beat everything with in a few days. However somethings that you mentioned could be made a little easier. Perhaps if there could be some middle ground between the dedicated members with lots of time and the more causal players.

Wait a second I just started reading more posts and I found that someone said you posted this big long thing to make a point?

@G0D Oh okay I see what you and Velxeor are saying. I see what you mean by the statement , "Just because you play on Paladore for 10 hours every day, that doesn't mean you should be rewarded more than me, because I can't be online more than 2 hous a day."

I think they might of locked his thread because they thought he was being really sarcastic about it and rude or something even though I get his point and frustration.

@Toad Maybe when they are thinking of the site being pg-13 of certain movies where there are suggestions of sexual content. According to wikipedia though the f-word can be used in pg-13 rated movies as long as its not in a sexual situation or referring to sexual things. Maybe when they hear pg13 they think that people are old enough to just ignore and deal with bad mouthing as well?
As far as camping goes I got on a lot and even though I was on I was never fast enough to get to the bosses. To be honest I'm not really sure of the current state of the mini bosses. But I was hoping for an in between solution for the problem.

I think that they should revise the rules and they shouldn't just ask the staff about the rules but the regular users as well. That way perhaps users who are helpful can point out potential loop holes.

[Velxeor]

I have stated multiple times that I would be making a "sarcastic as hell" suggestion thread in the shout box. Alex's post proves he saw me talking about making it.

[kristie91]

Oh okay I'm sorry I didn't know. You might of mentioned it another post but I didn't read all of them. Nor did I see you or your posts on paladore. I'm also a little slow to somethings nods nods.