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Can an owner dedicate the same attention to two or more sites?

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    Apples Wajas and Purefelinity Mod VPL Member

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    Or does one site end up the poor relation?

    I'm a member of both Aywas and Felisfire. Felisfire is my preference, but I know it's down to personal taste.

    But since the start of April, for example, there's been numerous updates on Aywas, and the easter event is up and running. Aywas ads are plastered all over here, and Slash discusses the game on numerous threads.

    But how many on here know that Slash even has another game? It's not advertised, not mentioned. And the game itself has had little visible attention recently. On March 22nd, there was the last thread on the announcements forum, asking for suggestions on what people would be willing to pay for, a month on, and no input from the staff or any further announcements about anything.

    On the 27th March there was a new breed shown in development, and the 1st April that the Aquus was being redrawn, but no further info, or updates. I know these things can take time to get all the markings drawn, but an update would be nice.

    On the 7th April there was a thread asking for names for a marking. There's been no update. The new news had a question on pricing the breeding potion, posted on the 11th, with no prize winner mentioned yet, or even an end date. And nothing much else.

    The mazes have been abandoned, they used to update every month, but no change in months.

    I know it's been mentioned that the site is struggling to meet costs, but surely that should be an indication that it needs more publicity, and activity from the staff to show that things are in progress. Because, it always looks like Aywas is the favourite child of Slash.

    The 3000th member has joined the site now, maybe there needs to be something to help those members stay, and become paying players in the future.

    If they join, and feel the site isn't having much attention, they'll get bored and move on.
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    I'm having some trouble with the Felisfire programmer right now. We aren't seeing eye to eye and because of that, programming has not been happening. I'd like to develop more features for Felisfire but unfortunately it won't happen while this is going on. Eventually I may have to hire a new programmer, but given that he developed the site from the ground up, I'd really rather keep working with him instead of have a new set of coders have to learn the application. Things are looking up but reliability is an issue I run into from time to time.

    For example - our artists are doing their job. We have the new breeds finished and all of their markings. Our pet artist just finished the Aquus. Our marking artist has delivered us three new markings for all breeds. But our programmer just...hasn't been adding anything lately. There will be a point where I have to put my foot down, yes. I just hope it doesn't come to that.

    To clarify, I don't run Felisfire. Perfy and her team run it - whereas I do run Aywas. My job is to pay our contractors on Felisfire. I've been jumping in and trying to come up with new content but I'm the finance admin on Felis.

    As a note -the application that produces money for its owner is always going to be the favorite. If an application is costing you money, and not giving you any profit back, it's hard to focus on it when your successful application demands most of your time.
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    I understand when there are issues like that, I am from Wajas, and I know only too well, the problems caused by coding and coder issues.

    But that doesn't stop the updating of contests by yourself and the staff. Just something to make it look like we haven't been abandoned, there's a lot of loyal players on there. It's one of the only sites I've stuck to and play actively on, other than the two where I'm staff, because of it's uniqueness. It would be a shame if the loyal core of the site start to drift away. Because a lot f those are upgraded, you really need to try and hold onto them.
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    I planned on announcing the name of the marking plant when the marking itself was added. But that feature hasn't been coded. I guess I'll give that coder one more week to start working hard before I look for someone else.
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    I suppose I have a parents mentality, rather than a business brain :p

    As a parent seeing one child doing well, and another struggling, I would focus more on the struggling child, to try to help it catch up. Probably why I'd be no good as a business person :p

    I appreciate the running of the site is in the hands of others, but you are the figure head, so you are who people look up to.
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    I guess you could think of it in terms of Wajas...
    Let's say you have two design plans. Both of them require an expensive breed (like a Divine) and a lot of CWP-costing dyes.

    Your first design plan is garnering a lot of attention. A lot of people are making pre-orders because they like the way the pups look when the parents are predicted together. You gather up the funds, make the parents, and start selling pups - and people are buying them like crazy. You start putting the funds toward making more divines with the same markings but different colors. Your designs are a success, and people are eating them up, and you keep adding new customs to the group.

    Your second design plan is getting minimal attention at best. Because you expected to get the same turn-out as your first, you invested funds from the first into the second. But only the odd person here or there is buying a pup, making it hard for you to want to invest in more customs for that group. After all, those two tokens and the dyes were very expensive - and if few people are buying pups, you would rather devote your resources to expanding design project 1 rather than design project 2, because the second project isn't doing you much good.

    This is, of course, withstanding the fact that it's very hard to make any money off gen2s - but let's pretend divine pups sold for 10 CWP like they did in the good old days. XD
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    But, in the same analogy, if I invested in something to pep up the unpopular ones, like the new tricolor wing DNA, or a new dye, and make them as popular, or more so, than the first. I'd have 2 sets bringing in money, rather than only one and cutting my losses on the unpopular ones.

    But Felisfire is popular. It just needs time invested to keep that interest.
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    Felisfire probably just needs a content manager so that @Slashmaster can focus on both games - its hard sometimes to run two sites at once, especially pet games.
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    I can appreciate the work involved on running two sites. There does seem to be a good staff base. I, and many others were saddened when Dev, the coder withdrew from interacting with the players. I know there were players unhappy with the changes, but, from experience on other sites, there's always a loud minority that will try to stir things up to get their own way on something.

    Everyone has settled down now, and are working just fine with the changes.

    What he needs to understand is, that making any big changes is like throwing a rock into a pond. The bigger the rock, the bigger the ripples. But, if you just sit back and wait, the pond soon smooths over again, ready for the next rock :p

    The site is still being developed, players need to understand that, and learn to ride the waves, if they can't, then they need to leave it to those that can, and come back when everything is smoothly running. :)
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    Well, I guess that didn't work out so well.
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    *hugs*

    If you ever need an ear to rant into just throw a message my way. I'm very discrete. This old head holds many secrets and plent of room for more. And I'll probably go senile soon and forget everything anyway. lol
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    IT IS VERY HARD, I ADMIT.

    I've got problems dealing with Squiby and Valenth at the same time as Subeta :(
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    O_O Wow Wow I did not know Dev is Qway and Keith owns Valenth too! :) I guess it's pretty hard managing more than one site(child) and this applies to many.
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    Well, an owner, if he/she has plenty of time - can also implement new staff members to help them run the sites - such as, adding managers, who can control the site besides the owner, which makes things easier on the owner.

    It's all on you though, if you think you can do it - then go for it, or you could also set aside certain days where you work on project, and then the other on the next day. Things like that.
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