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Discussion in 'Programming General' started by Sean, Apr 11, 2011.

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    join misticpets, support vpl
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    Cool, thanks! I kept wanting to try it but I guess they took it down =/
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    Thanks!
    I have tried to set up kitto before, just to see it in action, and I have always run into trouble somewhere, but I don't know where...
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    Someone should make a kitto walkthrough.
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    I wholeheartedly agree. :S
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    This is a MUST. Kitto can be very confusing o.o
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    I'd appreciate a walkthrough.. 000webhost maybe? :p
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    They forbid games on their servers unfortunately. :(
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    Kitto shoots [FONT=Consolas, Monaco, Courier New, Courier, monospace]out deprecated errors, refers to files that don't exist inside the download, and doesn't work in general. :/[/FONT]
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    Perhaps you should try contacting @judda, he might be able to help you out with Kitto!
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    @cpvr I'd rather code from scratch. Not sure how good I am at the webserver stuff. I'd like to be able to jump into a website that's basic stuff is setup and try my hand at coding a game to see if I even like it haha
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    I'll see if I can get a bit of time this weekend to clean up some of the PHP issues that you get ... but it likely won't be until Monday at the earliest.

    ~judda
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    Okay ... I lied ... I never got to it today ... spent the entire day just relaxing instead XD

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    Depends on what you want to gain from working on a site IMO
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    So what would be the good and the bad?
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    Good:
    - Introduce you to PHP
    - Introduce you to web logic
    - Introduce you to what seems like a very poorly done MVC framework of PHP
    - Get a sample database to see what works and what doesn't.

    Bad:
    - From what I've seen it uses a lot of bad (outdated) practices (including the way it handles data which is pretty scary)
    - It has the possibility of teaching you bad practices when it comes to PHP (honestly though, I think that's part of learning, just have to make sure you look at other ways to code than this)
    - It's built off a poor implemented "MVC" framework, so mixing of logic I can see being problematic. Which when doing any /real/ development could give you a headache.
    Really I just don't trust this setup at all, and if I had free time would setup an instance just to run security scans against.

    Honestly when it comes to people wanting to learn how to make a petsite my suggestion would be:
    1) Start with basic HTML/CSS tutorials.
    2) Get a concept of how PHP works.
    3) Get a concept of how databases work.
    4) Learn how PHP and databases work together (hint: SQL/Queries).
    5) Look at KittoKitto and see what it does (how a page is handled, how data is stored, etc) possibly good to setup an instance while you're learning 1-4 and compare usage.
    6) Look into a community driven framework and start going through their tutorial.
    During this whole process your best bet is to find a good developer community and start putting a site together (trial, error, ask).

    -- your first few attempts are going to be horrid. You'll bang your head against a desk, cry, and throw up (maybe not this intense but you get where I'm going.)

    What I'm trying to get at - is learn Basic PHP & SQL, learn from other projects, use a community driven framework to help with setup/security/personal development, and ask questions.
    The statement of "There are no dumb questions" I assure you really applies when it comes to coding questions.
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    What is a MVC Framework?

    Could you give me some examples of what's bad and what's good?

    What do you mean security scans against? What is wrong with the setup?

    I have eight years of experience in the field of HTML/CSS, I just never moved on.

    I do, I took a computer programming class in High School which taught me qBasic. Surprisingly, I remember it very well, and it's helped me catch on to the basics of php coding lightning fast.

    Where do you suggest I start?

    Good developer community? How so and could you give me examples by chance?

    Thank you sooooo much! I will take your advice and regard it highly.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model–view–controller
    TL;DR Essentially a way to help separate your application into data objects, business logic and view structure.
    Most popular PHP frameworks use this approach although recently people have suggested alternatives (different convo)

    If you're really interested in best practices this new site is amazing http://www.phptherightway.com/
    Also it has a great example on proper database usage direct click

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_application_security_scanner

    Awesome, then move on to the next steps!

    Even better, once you know logic, you know programming. PHP, Ruby, Javascript, Objective-C, etc is really just learning the API, structure of applications, and best practices.

    Again - http://www.phptherightway.com/

    http://stackoverflow.com/
    http://www.quora.com/PHP
    http://www.quora.com/MySQL
    http://www.quora.com/SQL
    http://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/
    http://www.reddit.com/r/MYSQL/
    http://www.reddit.com/r/SQL/
    Or here, feel free to ping me with questions and I'll get back to you ASAP

    Anytime.
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